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Re: How Safe are Vaccines?

by "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 12, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our
> immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune
system;
> the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA
from
> animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the
> chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear
neutrophils)
> was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not
return
> to normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression
> included reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,
>
> and a reduced white cell count. All vaccines are immune depressing to
some
> extent and that is the trade-off we are risking. The medical thought is
> that we trade a small immune depression for an immunity to one disease.
> Now let me repeat, we are trading a total immune system depression (our
> only defense against all known disease - including millions of
pathogens)
> for a tem****ary immunity against one disease, usually an innocuous
> childhood disease. Therefore, the trade is not at all fair. Mullins puts
> it this way, "Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS."
>
> The trade-off is not worth the risk. We are risking getting many more
> diseases than we are "preventing" from getting. [Later we will see that
> there is literally no prevention.] Another good example is the ritual of
> the yearly flu shot. There may be only two or three varieties of flu
> viruses in each shot, hence the names "Asian-Flu", "Japanese-Flu"
> "Indian-Flu" or "Swine-Flu". But there are literally thousands, may be
> millions of flu-causing viruses. Taking one or two does not make sense
and
> many people re****t getting the flu after taking a flu shot. We do not
know
> which variety of flu will affect us each year and in each locale.
> Therefore, the best method to avoid the flu is to strengthen our immune
> system by eating properly and getting all the essential vitamins and
> minerals that our body needs. Only nutrition can build and sup****t a
> strong immune system, while vaccines help to tear our immunity down.
> Vaccines have been linked to AIDS and other immuno-deficient disorders
as
> well.
>
> Vaccinations depress our body's immune functions and that keeps us open
to
> developing many other diseases. It is very childish to think that we are
> going to take one flu vaccine and never get sick from the many varieties
> of flu that exist, especially since viruses can mutate so fast when the
> conditions arise. Keeping up with these fast mutating viruses can only
be
> done by priming our immune system with good nutrition and keeping the
> conditions/environment for their growth minimal. In other words,
> pathogenic viruses will not grow where the conditions will not allow it.
> It is the terrain which dictates our health and not the germs/viruses
> themselves. Germs are pleiomorphic, meaning that they can change with
> their environment; rods become cocci, and vice-versa. Thinking that
germs
> cause disease means that we are not responsible for our own health and
we
> place that responsibility in the hands of some one who has the means to
> kill these germs with toxic chemicals (drugs), even if those
> drugs/vaccines harm our body. Vaccines prevent health!
>
>     Vaccinations reduce our immunity in many im****tant ways:
>
> 1) Vaccines contain many chemicals and heavy metals, like mercury and
> aluminum, which are in-themselves immuno-suppressing. Mercury actually
> causes changes in the lymphocyte activity and decreases lymphocyte
> viability.
>
> 2) Vaccines contain foreign tissues and foreign DNA/RNA which act to
> suppress the immune system via graft-vs-host rejection phenomena.
>
> 3) Vaccines alter our t-cell helper/suppressor ratios ... just like
those
> seen with AIDS. This ratio is a key indicator of a proper functioning
> immune system.
>
> 4) Vaccines alter the metabolic activity of PMNs and reduce their
> chemotaxic abilities. PMNs are our body's defenses against pathogenic
> bacteria and viruses.
>
> 5) Vaccines suppress our immunity merely buy over-taxing our immune
system
> with foreign material, heavy metals, pathogens and viruses. The heavy
> metals slow down our immune system, while the viruses set up shop to
grow
> and divide. It is like being chained and handcuffed before swimming.
>
> 6) Vaccines clog our lymphatic system and lymph nodes with large protein
> molecules which have not been adequately broken down by our digestive
> processes, since vaccines by pass digestion with injections. This is why
> vaccines are linked to allergies, because they contain large proteins
> which as circulating immune complexes (CICs) or "klinkers" which cause
our
> body to become allergic.
>
> 7) Vaccines deplete our body of vital immune-enhancing nutrients, like
> vitamin C, A and zinc, which are needed for a strong immune system. It
is
> nutrients like these that primes our immune system, feeds the white
blood
> cells and macrophages and allows them to function optimally.
>
> 8) Vaccines are neurotoxic and slow the level of nervous transmission,
and
> communications to the brain and other tissues. Now we know that some
> lymphocytes communicate directly with the brain through a complex set of
> neurotransmitters. Altering these factors will also depress our
immunity.
>
> 4) Links of Vaccines to AIDS -
>
> While the medical profession does not lightly discuss AIDS and vaccines
in
> the same sentence, there is much evidence linking AIDS to vaccines.
> Buttram and Hoffman state, "Indirect immunofluorescence evaluation of
> T-lymphocytes from blood samples taken ... after vaccination revealed a
> tem****ary drop ... in the helper/suppressor ratio after vaccination."
What
> that means is that immediately after vaccines are given our blood
"looks"
> like the blood of and AIDS patient. AIDS is diagnosed when the T -cell
> (helper to suppressor) ratios are depressed and vaccines cause that same
> occurrence. Now is it any coincidence that the countries where AIDS is
> rampant most, are the same countries which received the most
vaccinations?
> It is no joke when one asks, "Are we trading mumps and measles for
cancer
> and AIDS?"
>
> When we look into vaccine production we see the links of vaccines to
> monkey viruses, like SV-40, which causes immuno-deficiencies (similar to
> AIDS) in monkeys. Some scientists feel that SIV and HIV are very similar
> viruses and may be one in the same. If it is found in monkeys it is
called
> SIV and if it is found in people it is then called HIV. Very likely, it
is
> the foreign nature of SIV which makes it deadly to our immune system and
> our immune system goes on the blink. Vaccinations and AIDS are clearly
> related, and the medical literature shows us many links to AIDS. The
first
> Hepatitis vaccines made were notorious for causing AIDS and were made
from
> the blood of the gay populations, who had high levels of hepatitis and
> AIDS. Links of AIDS to the hepatitis vaccines were numerous in the
medical
> literature at the time (the 1970s) of the first hepatitis vaccines and
> people were afraid to take them for that reason. Yes, one may fear
> hepatitis, but we also had a greater fear of AIDS, which was more deadly
> and serious a condition, although many more people experienced hepatitis
> each year.
>
> Many other views of how vaccines started the AIDS epidemic are
available,
> but none can be proven with any degree of certainty. Whether HIV is a
> disease similar to the SIV found in monkey, remains to be seen. Is SIV
and
> HIV the same virus? Is SV-40 involved in immuno-suppression and
> immunodeficiency? There were re****ts of the smallpox vaccines delivered
to
> Haiti, Brazil and Africa containing HIV by the London Times in 1987.
Some
> persons have taken conspiratorial views of AIDS, but none have surfaced
> with any degree of veracity and it misses the point ... all vaccines are
> immuno-suppressive and compromise the host's immunity. Whether they
> contain actual HIV viruses may be disputable, they will depress the
immune
> system. Today more care is taken in vaccine production and there are
> better methods of locating and removing contaminant viruses, but
vaccines
> are still dangerous from their humble beginning and set the stage for
many
> other diseases to follow suit many years later.
>
> 5) True Immunity: Where Does it Come From? Nutrition!
>
> Science has glossed over the most valuable point of health, ...
nutrition.
> What is it that boosts our immune system and gives one a vibrant healthy
> life? ... nutrition. What is it that allows one to over -come the most
> devastating diseases known to mankind? ... Nutrition. What is the key
> factor for the recovery of disease? ... Nutrition. What is needed for
the
> body to heal itself? ... Nutrition. What key factor prevents disease?
...
> Nutrition. What is missing from allopathic medicine today? ...
Nutrition!
> It is nutrition and only nutrition which boosts our immune system and
> helps the body defend itself from foreign pathogens. Herbs, foods,
> nutrients and vitamin supplements are the tour-de-force of our immunity
> and it is virtually ignored by medical science in favor of drugs
> (chemicals).
>
> One can speculate many reasons why medical science has chosen to ignore
> this most im****tant aspect of our health ... perhaps, because there is
no
> profit in broccoli and carrots. But regardless of profit there is a side
> of science that altruistically searches for truth. Herbalists and
> naturopaths for centuries have cured devastating diseases with nature's
> remedies and proper diet. Medicine has shunned diet and nutrition (and
> herbs) as not having a place in scientific medicine. But the lowly herb
> can cure more than an equal share of allopathic man-made (synthetic)
drugs
> which although originally came from many herbs are now toxic according
to
> their dose and must be tightly regulated.
>
> The divergent paths of allopathic medicine and herbal naturopathic
> remedies is seen in the philosophy of vaccination. Vaccines are the only
> way modern medicine has to "prevent" disease for they don't believe in
or
> use herbs or nutrition. Therefore, toxic vaccines are their only tool to
> "promote health". Herbalists and naturopaths, on the other hand, see the
> person with a totally different point of view and understanding. The
> person is taught how to live with nature, how to eat naturally and how
to
> not create the environment for pathogens to grow. When the body is
> periodically cleansed, disease is not a problem. Allopathy desires to
> force health by giving the body more toxins (vaccines) to deal with in a
> futile and erroneous attempt at "preventing" disease. Yet, vaccines
cause
> illnesses, many diseases, numerous disorders and set the stage for
> cancerous grow while depressing our body's ability to fight off
pathogens.
> Allopathy depresses im****tant body functions, while making the body more
> toxic. Naturopathy helps the body eliminate toxins while sup****ting the
> body's immune functions.
>
> Therefore, there are many points in which allopathic medicine and
> naturopathic medicine diverge and differ. Yet, the laws of our land only
> allow allopathic methods (vaccinations) of disease "prevention" and not
> other more effective and less damaging methods of prevention, i.e.,
> homeopathy and naturopathy. Many religions refuse vaccines on religious
> grounds, because vaccines are contrary to their beliefs and vaccines are
> blood products grown on aborted fetuses and human and animal tissues.
> Vaccines grown on animal tissues, aborted fetuses, and cancer cells
would
> be against anyone's fair judgement and common sense, regardless of
> religious beliefs. Therefore, it is common sense which mandates our
> opinions against putrid vaccines, as well as religious beliefs.
>
> It is no secret anymore that proper nutrition builds good immunity, when
> the medical literature is full of studies on the intimate details of our
> immunity as related to nutrients. The fact that nutrition plays a large
> role in one's health (and immune functions) can no longer be suppressed
by
> prejudice. The over-whelming science today substantiates nutrition as a
> key factor in our health. Nutrition boosts our immune system like
nothing
> else can. Field stated, "it is accepted that nutrition is im****tant in
the
> development and function of the immune system." Harbige noted that
> "Nutrition and nutritional status can have profound effects on immune
> functions, resistance to infection and auto-immunity in man and other
> animals." Scrimshaw and SanGiovanni state that "infections, ... have
> adverse effects on nutritional status. ... Conversely, almost any
nutrient
> deficiency, if sufficiently severe, will impair resistance to
infection."
> Chandra (Am J Clin Nutrition, 1997; 66(2):460s-463s) also noted,
> "Nutrition is a critical determinant of immune responses and
malnutrition
> is the most common cause of immunodeficiency worldwide." Chandra and
> Chandra (Prog Food Nutrition Sci, 1986;10(1-2):1-65) stated that "the
> immune system plays a key role in the body's ability to fight infection
> and reduce the risk of developing tumors, autoimmune and degenerative
> disease."
>
> Yet, although this information is new to us now, it is not new to
> everyone. Many people have always maintained that a strong immune system
> began with good nutrition. Roger Williams, Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron,
> Adelle Davis, John R Christopher, Jethro Kloss, and many other notable
> nutritionist have claimed nutrition was im****tant to our health for many
> years, but were ignored. Profit of man-made chemicals came before the
> health of the patrons, many asked to suffer needlessly in the name of
> science when they could have been cured by a simple herbal remedy or a
> food. Nutrition has been down-played in the last 80 years in favor of
> patent-able drugs (man-made chemicals). Perhaps, the penicillin era was
> the greatest cause of the downfall of nutrition as a part of our health.
> The search for the magic bullet began with Paul Erlich's compound 606,
and
> continues to this day. We think that cancer must be cured from without
by
> a man-made chemical, while we ignore the inner terrain and the body's
> natural innate abilities (to heal) within ... governed, of course, by
> nutrition. Hopefully within the next decade great strides will be taken
in
> nutrition and health to make up for lost time. Many physicians are
> learning nutrition and herbology and homeopathy on their own time. Their
> patients will be the better for it. As more nutritional oriented
> physicians become available, the people will have a choice and a place
to
> turn to when in need. Nutrition Produces Health and Vitality! Vaccines
> Prevent Health!
>
> 6) Vaccines and Cancer -
>
>            "I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."
>
> Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909
>
> We don't usually associate vaccinations with cancer, but there are many
> citations in the medial literature where vaccines caused cancers.
> Sometimes cancer occurred at the site of injection and sometimes a
> lymphatic type of cancer would occur many years later in locations.
> Vaccines cause cancer. Yes, not everybody gets cancer after receiving a
> vaccine, but their body has been seeded with the ingredients for cancer
to
> grow. Picture cancer as a window of op****tunity. Once that window is
> opened, cancer can grow. Dr Vincent's work with Biologic Terrain
> *****sment (BTA) found that all children were pushed into the cancer
> "window" after vaccines were given. Now those children who don't develop
> cancer were (obviously) able to negate that cancer "window" with good
> nutrition. It is the environment which allows cancer to grow in the
first
> place, and vaccines create that environment. When the cancer is at the
> site of the vaccine injection, it is hard to deny a causal relation****p.
> Miraculously, doctors tell their patients it is co-incidental or
unrelated
> to the vaccines.
>
> Yet, it was known in the 1800s that vaccines clog our lymphatics and
> contain toxic materials which could lead to disease, even cancers. Even
> Jenner himself had trouble with his vaccines causing diseases, and
death.
> He was nearly lynched in one town for his specious concoctions. Our
> lymphatic system is designed to carry our lymphocytes throughout our
body
> and maintain control over our cellular immunity. Therefore, the
injection
> of large molecular sized proteins (foreign tissues in the vaccines) will
> clog our lymph-nodes and create problems for the lymphatic system.
> Therefore, it is no mystery that vaccines and lymphatic diseases, like
> leukemias and lymphomas, are related.
>
> "Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all
diseases
> of the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by
> vaccination." Dr William Hitchman
>
> "Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families
> by vaccination."
>
> Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS
>
> "Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and
> 1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ...
Researchers
> at the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus
contaminated
> the polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the
virus
> in a number of brain cancer victims."
>
> Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]
>
> Of course, anything which depresses our immunity will eventually lead to
> cancer, since it is our immune system which cleanses and eliminates
> mutated (cancerous) cells from our body daily. If this is not done,
> cancers will grow and develop unchecked by our immune system. Therefore,
a
> healthy immune system is needed to protect us from cancer and Vaccines
> Prevent Health.
>
> Vaccines and Auto-Immune Disease - [The injection of foreign animal
> DNA/RNA.]
>
> Auto-immune disease is common-place today, but were very rare just a few
> years ago. Does anybody wonder why one day we are healthy and the next
day
> our body no longer recognizes our own cells as self? Could the injection
> of foreign animal DNA/RNA have anything to do with our epidemic rise in
> auto-immune disease today? Bart Classen, MD has done some remarkable
> research on vaccines and auto-immune diseases, especially Diabetes
> mellitus, which he sees as a marker disease for all auto-immune
> conditions. His research finds that the more that vaccinations are given
> the more diabetes (and auto-immune diseases) appears. Dr Classen's
> research found that this held true for many animal models; after
receiving
> vaccines they experienced increases in diabetes. Then he carried his
> research to include vaccinated human populations. He found that in
> retrospective studies of vaccinations in five different human
populations,
> this fact held true also. The more vaccines one received the more was
> their incidence of diabetes (and auto-immune diseases).
>
> Now it is interesting that the increases in diabetes included
> Juvenile-onset diabetes, which we are told today is a profoundly
"genetic"
> disease. Yet, Dr Claussen's studies revealed that vaccinations [any
> vaccination] can cause increases in Juvenile-onset diabetes, too. Now
one
> theory said that the antigenic structure of the measles/mumps virus was
> similar to the antigenic structure of the beta cells (which produce
> insulin) in the pancreas. So when our body makes antibodies to fight off
> measles virus, those antibodies attack the pancreatic beta cells, too.
> Viola diabetes!
>
> Vaccines create the foundations for auto-immune disease when foreign
> animal tissues are injected into our blood streams. It alters our genes
> ("jumping" genes) and creates havoc in our lymphatic system. Auto-immune
> conditions are more common today than before massive vaccination
programs
> began in the 1940s. Auto-immune conditions such as ALS, MS, RA, and
> Diabetes are severe diseases and not to be taken lightly. They alter
> people's lives for ever and cost more than money when we consider the
time
> involved, the stress involved, and eventually death ensues. There is
even
> some speculation that auto-immune conditions may be behind the brain
> conditions they see in autism and there is some talk in the medical
> literature of auto-immunity to brain cells. If the body can not even
> recognize its own cells, then it has been tricked into thinking that
those
> cells are no longer self. Why does this occur? Could AIDS be an
> auto-immune condition where the lymphocytes are reacting against each
> other? What about the myriad of neurological disorders, kidney
disorders,
> blood disorders and the many diseases associated with vaccinations? When
> we are looking for excellent health, we need to avoid auto-immune
> disorders. One must remember that Vaccines Prevent Health!
>
> [Note: Dr Classen feels that Diabetes is an indicator (marker) disease
for
> auto-immunity.
> http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/immune_suppression.htm
 




 27 Posts in Topic:
How Safe are Vaccines?
"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-08 22:56:04 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-10 23:23:20 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-11 00:32:16 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-11 23:39:17 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
"JOHN" <john  2008-06-11 07:17:30 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-11 23:34:58 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-11 22:30:50 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 02:54:46 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 01:58:30 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 08:12:22 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 10:48:55 
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Peter Bowditch <myfirs  2008-06-12 16:56:49 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 08:07:50 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 10:44:18 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:13:55 
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Peter Bowditch <myfirs  2008-06-13 09:18:30 
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<Hawki63@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 19:45:50 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 22:49:00 
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<Hawki63@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 19:44:11 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:31:15 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-06-12 05:34:40 
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"t" <tools22  2008-06-12 07:45:23 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 17:21:35 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-06-12 18:59:02 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-06-12 09:11:50 
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"t" <tools22  2008-06-12 13:07:19 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:16:30 

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