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Re: How Safe are Vaccines?

by "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 11, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz not kids doc"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
blathered again:
> JOHN wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>> news:I1E3k.545$ul.509@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "There is also little evidence to sup****t the claim made by
antivaccine 
>>> activists that the battery of shots kids receive can damage the immune

>>> system rather than strengthen it."
>>>
>>
>>
>> Lie http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>>
>> only a moron would think poisons like mercury help the immune system
>
> I never said that mercury helps the immune system, nor do I think that. 
> However, vaccine help the immune system by helping it recognize deadly 
> diseases.
>
>
Blatant lie again.

Vaccines and Immune Suppression
 by Dr. Joseph Mercola


Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our 
immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune system;

the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from 
animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the
chemotaxis 
and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was 
significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to 
normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression included 
reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,

and a reduced white cell count. All vaccines are immune depressing to some

extent and that is the trade-off we are risking. The medical thought is
that 
we trade a small immune depression for an immunity to one disease. Now let

me repeat, we are trading a total immune system depression (our only
defense 
against all known disease - including millions of pathogens) for a
tem****ary 
immunity against one disease, usually an innocuous childhood disease. 
Therefore, the trade is not at all fair. Mullins puts it this way, "Are we

trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS."

The trade-off is not worth the risk. We are risking getting many more 
diseases than we are "preventing" from getting. [Later we will see that 
there is literally no prevention.] Another good example is the ritual of
the 
yearly flu shot. There may be only two or three varieties of flu viruses
in 
each shot, hence the names "Asian-Flu", "Japanese-Flu" "Indian-Flu" or 
"Swine-Flu". But there are literally thousands, may be millions of 
flu-causing viruses. Taking one or two does not make sense and many people

re****t getting the flu after taking a flu shot. We do not know which
variety 
of flu will affect us each year and in each locale. Therefore, the best 
method to avoid the flu is to strengthen our immune system by eating 
properly and getting all the essential vitamins and minerals that our body

needs. Only nutrition can build and sup****t a strong immune system, while 
vaccines help to tear our immunity down. Vaccines have been linked to AIDS

and other immuno-deficient disorders as well.

Vaccinations depress our body's immune functions and that keeps us open to

developing many other diseases. It is very childish to think that we are 
going to take one flu vaccine and never get sick from the many varieties
of 
flu that exist, especially since viruses can mutate so fast when the 
conditions arise. Keeping up with these fast mutating viruses can only be 
done by priming our immune system with good nutrition and keeping the 
conditions/environment for their growth minimal. In other words,
pathogenic 
viruses will not grow where the conditions will not allow it. It is the 
terrain which dictates our health and not the germs/viruses themselves. 
Germs are pleiomorphic, meaning that they can change with their
environment; 
rods become cocci, and vice-versa. Thinking that germs cause disease means

that we are not responsible for our own health and we place that 
responsibility in the hands of some one who has the means to kill these 
germs with toxic chemicals (drugs), even if those drugs/vaccines harm our 
body. Vaccines prevent health!

     Vaccinations reduce our immunity in many im****tant ways:

1) Vaccines contain many chemicals and heavy metals, like mercury and 
aluminum, which are in-themselves immuno-suppressing. Mercury actually 
causes changes in the lymphocyte activity and decreases lymphocyte 
viability.

2) Vaccines contain foreign tissues and foreign DNA/RNA which act to 
suppress the immune system via graft-vs-host rejection phenomena.

3) Vaccines alter our t-cell helper/suppressor ratios ... just like those 
seen with AIDS. This ratio is a key indicator of a proper functioning
immune 
system.

4) Vaccines alter the metabolic activity of PMNs and reduce their
chemotaxic 
abilities. PMNs are our body's defenses against pathogenic bacteria and 
viruses.

5) Vaccines suppress our immunity merely buy over-taxing our immune system

with foreign material, heavy metals, pathogens and viruses. The heavy
metals 
slow down our immune system, while the viruses set up shop to grow and 
divide. It is like being chained and handcuffed before swimming.

6) Vaccines clog our lymphatic system and lymph nodes with large protein 
molecules which have not been adequately broken down by our digestive 
processes, since vaccines by pass digestion with injections. This is why 
vaccines are linked to allergies, because they contain large proteins
which 
as circulating immune complexes (CICs) or "klinkers" which cause our body
to 
become allergic.

7) Vaccines deplete our body of vital immune-enhancing nutrients, like 
vitamin C, A and zinc, which are needed for a strong immune system. It is 
nutrients like these that primes our immune system, feeds the white blood 
cells and macrophages and allows them to function optimally.

8) Vaccines are neurotoxic and slow the level of nervous transmission, and

communications to the brain and other tissues. Now we know that some 
lymphocytes communicate directly with the brain through a complex set of 
neurotransmitters. Altering these factors will also depress our immunity.

4) Links of Vaccines to AIDS -

While the medical profession does not lightly discuss AIDS and vaccines in

the same sentence, there is much evidence linking AIDS to vaccines.
Buttram 
and Hoffman state, "Indirect immunofluorescence evaluation of
T-lymphocytes 
from blood samples taken ... after vaccination revealed a tem****ary drop
... 
in the helper/suppressor ratio after vaccination." What that means is that

immediately after vaccines are given our blood "looks" like the blood of
and 
AIDS patient. AIDS is diagnosed when the T -cell (helper to suppressor) 
ratios are depressed and vaccines cause that same occurrence. Now is it
any 
coincidence that the countries where AIDS is rampant most, are the same 
countries which received the most vaccinations? It is no joke when one
asks, 
"Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS?"

When we look into vaccine production we see the links of vaccines to
monkey 
viruses, like SV-40, which causes immuno-deficiencies (similar to AIDS) in

monkeys. Some scientists feel that SIV and HIV are very similar viruses
and 
may be one in the same. If it is found in monkeys it is called SIV and if
it 
is found in people it is then called HIV. Very likely, it is the foreign 
nature of SIV which makes it deadly to our immune system and our immune 
system goes on the blink. Vaccinations and AIDS are clearly related, and
the 
medical literature shows us many links to AIDS. The first Hepatitis
vaccines 
made were notorious for causing AIDS and were made from the blood of the
gay 
populations, who had high levels of hepatitis and AIDS. Links of AIDS to
the 
hepatitis vaccines were numerous in the medical literature at the time
(the 
1970s) of the first hepatitis vaccines and people were afraid to take them

for that reason. Yes, one may fear hepatitis, but we also had a greater
fear 
of AIDS, which was more deadly and serious a condition, although many more

people experienced hepatitis each year.

Many other views of how vaccines started the AIDS epidemic are available, 
but none can be proven with any degree of certainty. Whether HIV is a 
disease similar to the SIV found in monkey, remains to be seen. Is SIV and

HIV the same virus? Is SV-40 involved in immuno-suppression and 
immunodeficiency? There were re****ts of the smallpox vaccines delivered to

Haiti, Brazil and Africa containing HIV by the London Times in 1987. Some 
persons have taken conspiratorial views of AIDS, but none have surfaced
with 
any degree of veracity and it misses the point ... all vaccines are 
immuno-suppressive and compromise the host's immunity. Whether they
contain 
actual HIV viruses may be disputable, they will depress the immune system.

Today more care is taken in vaccine production and there are better
methods 
of locating and removing contaminant viruses, but vaccines are still 
dangerous from their humble beginning and set the stage for many other 
diseases to follow suit many years later.

 5) True Immunity: Where Does it Come From? Nutrition!

Science has glossed over the most valuable point of health, ... nutrition.

What is it that boosts our immune system and gives one a vibrant healthy 
life? ... nutrition. What is it that allows one to over -come the most 
devastating diseases known to mankind? ... Nutrition. What is the key
factor 
for the recovery of disease? ... Nutrition. What is needed for the body to

heal itself? ... Nutrition. What key factor prevents disease? ...
Nutrition. 
What is missing from allopathic medicine today? ... Nutrition! It is 
nutrition and only nutrition which boosts our immune system and helps the 
body defend itself from foreign pathogens. Herbs, foods, nutrients and 
vitamin supplements are the tour-de-force of our immunity and it is 
virtually ignored by medical science in favor of drugs (chemicals).

One can speculate many reasons why medical science has chosen to ignore
this 
most im****tant aspect of our health ... perhaps, because there is no
profit 
in broccoli and carrots. But regardless of profit there is a side of
science 
that altruistically searches for truth. Herbalists and naturopaths for 
centuries have cured devastating diseases with nature's remedies and
proper 
diet. Medicine has shunned diet and nutrition (and herbs) as not having a 
place in scientific medicine. But the lowly herb can cure more than an
equal 
share of allopathic man-made (synthetic) drugs which although originally 
came from many herbs are now toxic according to their dose and must be 
tightly regulated.

The divergent paths of allopathic medicine and herbal naturopathic
remedies 
is seen in the philosophy of vaccination. Vaccines are the only way modern

medicine has to "prevent" disease for they don't believe in or use herbs
or 
nutrition. Therefore, toxic vaccines are their only tool to "promote 
health". Herbalists and naturopaths, on the other hand, see the person
with 
a totally different point of view and understanding. The person is taught 
how to live with nature, how to eat naturally and how to not create the 
environment for pathogens to grow. When the body is periodically cleansed,

disease is not a problem. Allopathy desires to force health by giving the 
body more toxins (vaccines) to deal with in a futile and erroneous attempt

at "preventing" disease. Yet, vaccines cause illnesses, many diseases, 
numerous disorders and set the stage for cancerous grow while depressing
our 
body's ability to fight off pathogens. Allopathy depresses im****tant body 
functions, while making the body more toxic. Naturopathy helps the body 
eliminate toxins while sup****ting the body's immune functions.

Therefore, there are many points in which allopathic medicine and 
naturopathic medicine diverge and differ. Yet, the laws of our land only 
allow allopathic methods (vaccinations) of disease "prevention" and not 
other more effective and less damaging methods of prevention, i.e., 
homeopathy and naturopathy. Many religions refuse vaccines on religious 
grounds, because vaccines are contrary to their beliefs and vaccines are 
blood products grown on aborted fetuses and human and animal tissues. 
Vaccines grown on animal tissues, aborted fetuses, and cancer cells would
be 
against anyone's fair judgement and common sense, regardless of religious 
beliefs. Therefore, it is common sense which mandates our opinions against

putrid vaccines, as well as religious beliefs.

It is no secret anymore that proper nutrition builds good immunity, when
the 
medical literature is full of studies on the intimate details of our 
immunity as related to nutrients. The fact that nutrition plays a large
role 
in one's health (and immune functions) can no longer be suppressed by 
prejudice. The over-whelming science today substantiates nutrition as a
key 
factor in our health. Nutrition boosts our immune system like nothing else

can. Field stated, "it is accepted that nutrition is im****tant in the 
development and function of the immune system." Harbige noted that 
"Nutrition and nutritional status can have profound effects on immune 
functions, resistance to infection and auto-immunity in man and other 
animals." Scrimshaw and SanGiovanni state that "infections, ... have
adverse 
effects on nutritional status. ... Conversely, almost any nutrient 
deficiency, if sufficiently severe, will impair resistance to infection." 
Chandra (Am J Clin Nutrition, 1997; 66(2):460s-463s) also noted,
"Nutrition 
is a critical determinant of immune responses and malnutrition is the most

common cause of immunodeficiency worldwide." Chandra and Chandra (Prog
Food 
Nutrition Sci, 1986;10(1-2):1-65) stated that "the immune system plays a
key 
role in the body's ability to fight infection and reduce the risk of 
developing tumors, autoimmune and degenerative disease."

Yet, although this information is new to us now, it is not new to
everyone. 
Many people have always maintained that a strong immune system began with 
good nutrition. Roger Williams, Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron, Adelle Davis,

John R Christopher, Jethro Kloss, and many other notable nutritionist have

claimed nutrition was im****tant to our health for many years, but were 
ignored. Profit of man-made chemicals came before the health of the
patrons, 
many asked to suffer needlessly in the name of science when they could
have 
been cured by a simple herbal remedy or a food. Nutrition has been 
down-played in the last 80 years in favor of patent-able drugs (man-made 
chemicals). Perhaps, the penicillin era was the greatest cause of the 
downfall of nutrition as a part of our health. The search for the magic 
bullet began with Paul Erlich's compound 606, and continues to this day.
We 
think that cancer must be cured from without by a man-made chemical, while

we ignore the inner terrain and the body's natural innate abilities (to 
heal) within ... governed, of course, by nutrition. Hopefully within the 
next decade great strides will be taken in nutrition and health to make up

for lost time. Many physicians are learning nutrition and herbology and 
homeopathy on their own time. Their patients will be the better for it. As

more nutritional oriented physicians become available, the people will
have 
a choice and a place to turn to when in need. Nutrition Produces Health
and 
Vitality! Vaccines Prevent Health!

 6) Vaccines and Cancer -

            "I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909

We don't usually associate vaccinations with cancer, but there are many 
citations in the medial literature where vaccines caused cancers.
Sometimes 
cancer occurred at the site of injection and sometimes a lymphatic type of

cancer would occur many years later in locations. Vaccines cause cancer. 
Yes, not everybody gets cancer after receiving a vaccine, but their body
has 
been seeded with the ingredients for cancer to grow. Picture cancer as a 
window of op****tunity. Once that window is opened, cancer can grow. Dr 
Vincent's work with Biologic Terrain *****sment (BTA) found that all 
children were pushed into the cancer "window" after vaccines were given.
Now 
those children who don't develop cancer were (obviously) able to negate
that 
cancer "window" with good nutrition. It is the environment which allows 
cancer to grow in the first place, and vaccines create that environment. 
When the cancer is at the site of the vaccine injection, it is hard to
deny 
a causal relation****p. Miraculously, doctors tell their patients it is 
co-incidental or unrelated to the vaccines.

Yet, it was known in the 1800s that vaccines clog our lymphatics and
contain 
toxic materials which could lead to disease, even cancers. Even Jenner 
himself had trouble with his vaccines causing diseases, and death. He was 
nearly lynched in one town for his specious concoctions. Our lymphatic 
system is designed to carry our lymphocytes throughout our body and
maintain 
control over our cellular immunity. Therefore, the injection of large 
molecular sized proteins (foreign tissues in the vaccines) will clog our 
lymph-nodes and create problems for the lymphatic system. Therefore, it is

no mystery that vaccines and lymphatic diseases, like leukemias and 
lymphomas, are related.

"Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all diseases
of 
the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by vaccination."
Dr 
William Hitchman

"Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families
by 
vaccination."

Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS

"Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and 
1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ... Researchers
at 
the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus contaminated the

polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the virus in a

number of brain cancer victims."

Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]

Of course, anything which depresses our immunity will eventually lead to 
cancer, since it is our immune system which cleanses and eliminates
mutated 
(cancerous) cells from our body daily. If this is not done, cancers will 
grow and develop unchecked by our immune system. Therefore, a healthy
immune 
system is needed to protect us from cancer and Vaccines Prevent Health.

Vaccines and Auto-Immune Disease - [The injection of foreign animal 
DNA/RNA.]

Auto-immune disease is common-place today, but were very rare just a few 
years ago. Does anybody wonder why one day we are healthy and the next day

our body no longer recognizes our own cells as self? Could the injection
of 
foreign animal DNA/RNA have anything to do with our epidemic rise in 
auto-immune disease today? Bart Classen, MD has done some remarkable 
research on vaccines and auto-immune diseases, especially Diabetes
mellitus, 
which he sees as a marker disease for all auto-immune conditions. His 
research finds that the more that vaccinations are given the more diabetes

(and auto-immune diseases) appears. Dr Classen's research found that this 
held true for many animal models; after receiving vaccines they
experienced 
increases in diabetes. Then he carried his research to include vaccinated 
human populations. He found that in retrospective studies of vaccinations
in 
five different human populations, this fact held true also. The more 
vaccines one received the more was their incidence of diabetes (and 
auto-immune diseases).

Now it is interesting that the increases in diabetes included
Juvenile-onset 
diabetes, which we are told today is a profoundly "genetic" disease. Yet,
Dr 
Claussen's studies revealed that vaccinations [any vaccination] can cause 
increases in Juvenile-onset diabetes, too. Now one theory said that the 
antigenic structure of the measles/mumps virus was similar to the
antigenic 
structure of the beta cells (which produce insulin) in the pancreas. So
when 
our body makes antibodies to fight off measles virus, those antibodies 
attack the pancreatic beta cells, too. Viola diabetes!

Vaccines create the foundations for auto-immune disease when foreign
animal 
tissues are injected into our blood streams. It alters our genes
("jumping" 
genes) and creates havoc in our lymphatic system. Auto-immune conditions
are 
more common today than before massive vaccination programs began in the 
1940s. Auto-immune conditions such as ALS, MS, RA, and Diabetes are severe

diseases and not to be taken lightly. They alter people's lives for ever
and 
cost more than money when we consider the time involved, the stress 
involved, and eventually death ensues. There is even some speculation that

auto-immune conditions may be behind the brain conditions they see in
autism 
and there is some talk in the medical literature of auto-immunity to brain

cells. If the body can not even recognize its own cells, then it has been 
tricked into thinking that those cells are no longer self. Why does this 
occur? Could AIDS be an auto-immune condition where the lymphocytes are 
reacting against each other? What about the myriad of neurological 
disorders, kidney disorders, blood disorders and the many diseases 
associated with vaccinations? When we are looking for excellent health, we

need to avoid auto-immune disorders. One must remember that Vaccines
Prevent 
Health!

[Note: Dr Classen feels that Diabetes is an indicator (marker) disease for

auto-immunity.
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/immune_suppression.htm
 




 27 Posts in Topic:
How Safe are Vaccines?
"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-08 22:56:04 
Re: How Safe are Vaccines?
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-10 23:23:20 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-11 00:32:16 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-11 23:39:17 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-11 07:17:30 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-11 23:34:58 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-11 22:30:50 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 02:54:46 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 01:58:30 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 08:12:22 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 10:48:55 
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Peter Bowditch <myfirs  2008-06-12 16:56:49 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 08:07:50 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-06-12 10:44:18 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:13:55 
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Peter Bowditch <myfirs  2008-06-13 09:18:30 
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<Hawki63@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 19:45:50 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 22:49:00 
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<Hawki63@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 19:44:11 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:31:15 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-06-12 05:34:40 
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"t" <tools22  2008-06-12 07:45:23 
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"JOHN" <john  2008-06-12 17:21:35 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-06-12 18:59:02 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-06-12 09:11:50 
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"t" <tools22  2008-06-12 13:07:19 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-06-12 23:16:30 

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